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hi everybody

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I'm Steve drusen Hamelin Williams Mike

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maunder we're here in Cardiff today to

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do another UFO interview with a witness

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now we're not sure that's yet whether

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this is connected with night of the

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triangles or very very close to it but

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saw us to be seen we come today to

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Bedford Street two triangles from his

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back garden and he was a winter night to

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still not quite sure whether this is

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like to the track cause yet it sounds

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like it's but idiot either is oh it's

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leave the house taught me much of a back

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my girlfriend it is cold

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site door I always used to come down at

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okay I'm gonna date - that's me

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83 84 he said the following day in the

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newspaper they was up strange it was

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suddenly like strings like Caesar I

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remember and I told you about this what

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we call them like to the triangle yeah

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there was a piece in the echo about what

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Carol saw over Cardiff that's right yeah

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and he said it definitely wasn't that

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article um no it was so he wasn't that

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like yeah great well we didn't know

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about this event yeah as soon as we can

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find that article in the paper you were

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very - we'll have to take their money

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yeah well when I saw the lights of the

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trails I thought that must be it that

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must be the yeah um Salem's just look

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the let the dog go do you scratch it a

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girlfriend knocked the door so I let him

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finish so I'm just gonna let the dog out

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and say open the door it's only a little

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backyard I opened the door for some

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reason they looked up to my right which

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is in that direction

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coming from City Road area so we walk

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coming from that direction all over that

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building there was six white lights just

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slowly doing flashing or nothing it was

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just six white lights

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I caught I call my girlfriend said come

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here quick what is I said just quick

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come along look at this six lights just

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slowly cruising across I don't know if

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you seen something totally unusual you

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just like stops you and three other

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lights sort of moved away from the other

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three you could see they were like

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triangular formations mm-hmm imagine

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like a white light on each corner point

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yeah I don't know how you have they must

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have been about you and I higher for my

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kind of judgment of perspective you know

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between five hundred and thousand feet

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up maybe what light aircraft height

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thought well not even that no less than

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that less okay built up this area the

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clear sky I didn't see any shape any

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solid body in between just the like it's

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just it up there lights and I think it

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the one light at the front and when I

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need to corner of the back then is that

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what I'm looking at yeah yeah and like I

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say three of the lights moved away from

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the other three what sort of speed which

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if it was a plane or if it was a very

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slowly there was no sound there was

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nothing in white nothing nothing these

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lights of a whole of they shining

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downwards or they just it was just like

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doing particularly spotlights oh yeah

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round white white lights you know spaced

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apart obviously yeah anything

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now what about sound boys nothing

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nothing at all nothing nothing no sound

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so when they were together when he was

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six lights

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what's up formation didn't look like to

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meet you as soon as I expect initially

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so it was like he's just a cluster of

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lights it was only in Italy one like I

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say three moved away from the other

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three yeah I had the feeling there was

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like two objects right so would there

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have been one in front of the other

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originally or beside each other kind of

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side by side side by side yeah I'm

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living together

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yeah don't sound be really slow you come

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in east to west

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yeah okay

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we watched him go across until he went

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just kind of kept going this week

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straight cutting the line and where were

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you at this point to do good done well

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we're on the on the door kept it

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shouldn´t go trust live run down to the

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corner she would go down there

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what what sort of speed with a traveler

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that slowly I was like maybe 30 miles an

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hour

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yeah that's slow they didn't shoot a

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course it was of ambled along up because

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we had time to watch him from their

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garden from up the friends I came down

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10:08 anybody else see that tall build

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in there yeah a SIM card is Center the

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office block yeah and he went over that

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oh I think this church and it just where

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nothing the difference so good to see

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really does feel the same course yeah

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to sink under there

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there's no I will do them around about

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17 or 18 if you surround because I was

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so 83 84 yeah it's just feel at the time

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etc so Deeks

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my mother showed me she came over the

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following takes because she was out my

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dad was out he was he never made out to

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anywhere and for one night he went to

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visiting somebody was gonna believe this

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my feet my another cat me I think it's

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my mother fat when if we come in when

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after the other remember the following

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dish the paper I'm sure they go she

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always bought the echo still buddies in

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though she shouldn't meet she said look

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at this Victor's half a page he's

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see

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into airports and the police and people

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wanted Nords going on let me say it was

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said going in he said if anybody seen

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send me back to me

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yeah

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the deal

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did he know about you while I sent him a

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letter

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oh yeah I said I'm allowing remember

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troll in the what I'd seen my little

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yeah

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we called it here but it was shut for

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lunch so we didn't get marketing well

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till to here so again suppose that

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they've got like they look upon a branch

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way with issues with the central lake we

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moved all the archetype yeah we'd have

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to do more research and just troll

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through the it was a winter evening

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the date segment as soon as we find the

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like uniquely Florida is a color small

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in trying to trying to see if I could

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find it here but I keep on seeing the

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same answer you mentioned Soren I found

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them in the library were there any other

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aircraft in the sky you know I just know

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to say following day did you see any

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activity in this kind o if you were to

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point something an arm's-length the

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government size of the object when it

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and they actually went right over yeah

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like you see your garden over the garden

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it was just election we didn't see the

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[Music]

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yeah yeah

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coffee table I've never seen anything

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like it before

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since the night scene before it's used

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the same you know there's certainly ties

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in with a lot of yeah yeah this was

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really interesting yeah as a friend and

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a friend speaking to something that

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subject came up that he said the other

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saw something strange once like they'd

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he said said he was gonna party up in

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he said he saw this black triangle he

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said of Jabbar 4pi over and I haven't

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mentioned anything then totally my still

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here but he said I was in he was in the

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summer he was like the lights he said it

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was just his black triangle in the sky

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yeah he came because I stole my story

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good I said it was around about 83

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before he said oh no they said before

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somebody said that you just chopped them

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people in there baby stories oh yeah

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everyone seems oh yeah this particular

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site you had around that time you know

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we initially thought it was just in our

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local area of Swansea but there since we

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made inquires and this happened in

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Canada it's happened before

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at the same time and across the channel

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for me as well you know Devon Coast as

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well and all around the same time as

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evident sense but it seems so your

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cycling was a different like to all the

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trying it is yeah because you're

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referencing the article in the newspaper

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yeah so as soon as we find that we're

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not yeah - be nice - it'd be nice to

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find out what it was it was around that